Baba called Kutumb Sastri to Dehra Dun to discuss the Andhra programs. On Sunday, July 26th, (1953) in the course of the conversation, Baba explained to Sastri:
To know God is to become God. So how can you know what a Perfect Master is unless you become one? I may be either the Avatar, a Sadguru or an ordinary man. I may be anything; I am what you take me to be. If you think I am the Avatar, I am the Avatar; if you think I am an ordinary man, I am an ordinary man. I am That which I am. By being everything, what you think me to be I am.
However, this is not important. If I am Baba, then for my work I need no one. And yet I tell you to be with me and ask the workers in Andhra to work for me for four months. If you look back on my life and work, I never have anything permanent. Hospitals, schools, ashrams were constructed and pulled down, because I have no need of any establishment or organization. Yet I want workers. Why? To make people ready to receive what God will make me give. The morning sun sheds its rays everywhere, but the sun does not need connection with the whole world. If after four hundred or seven hundred years the world is full of houses and there is no room for its rays to penetrate the world and reach mankind, the sun may then resort to making people remove the roofs of houses so that its full rays may fall on everything and everyone. I want such persons who can demolish the roofs of low desires by spreading my message of love, so that when the time comes – like a cloudless day at twelve noon – people can receive the rays.
Do not get involved in controversies, societies, factions, or such affairs. I wish you to work wholeheartedly as one unit, as one center for four months. Just work and prepare people by informing them of the message of honesty, love and longing for God. Make them enthusiastic so that what God makes me give in December, they will be able to receive.
Usually, rivers flow into the ocean. But the rivers are now drying up. It is time for the Ocean to flood the rivers!
I may be anything, but when you work wholeheartedly, God, Who is everywhere and knows everything, gives you rewards from Him without your asking. Even if I am the Devil, God will reward you according to your work!
God is free, independent; and to know Him, we must work wholeheartedly and with no reservation. One who is free does not like any reservation. If you work for Him honestly, with an open heart, God helps. Do not become a flatterer and never be dishonest to yourself and others. Be natural and honestly simple. I consider one as my center who loves me wholeheartedly for the sake of love. God may make me give that gift which is permanent. Only God is real. God is all Love; God is all Wisdom; God is all Power; God is all Beauty; God is Everything.
Baba concluded with Shastri, by spelling out, “There is only one thing which keeps you away from God and that is lust. There is always ego in that. So lead a pure life.”
Lord Meher, American ed., Bhau Kalchuri, Vol. 17, p. 4196 – 4197.